The Problem between Hunters and Paddlers
My reply to an ongoing online debate…
From a hunter….
>Some paddlers managed to paddle right into several decoys and thought
>they were going to be shot! This was based on their ignorance and
>imagination, of course.
My experience is that city folk, incl 99% of transplants, lump hunters in with gangbangers. Absolutely literally. Close friends fear for my country children, growing up in a house with guns. Close friends who’ve never held a gun, who know I was raised with guns, fed families with guns, know I am safe, know an incident has never occured near me, feel free when they visit and are around when I’m doing some shooting instruction to give ‘safety tips’ nervously which have no bearing on safety, and they feel free to be afraid.
—All this comes from deep training in their egos. Nothing can be done to salvage such acculturation. At its root it’s consumerism, mediatronics and insurance-itis. It’s in the genes now.
From a hunter….
>However, please use caution/disretion in writing your letters. I wouldn’t
>”flame” the lady, but try and point out your points of view, which I agree
>with, courteously. Maybe she’ll understand, but if not, others will see the
>rationality of your thoughts and hopefully pay more attention and be more
>thoughtful.
Good luck. Statistically no change possible. We’re on a STEEP STEEP downhill slide culturally. I’ve changed a few minds in my day, but they just prove the rule. What’s the dominant paradigm? Freedom is a goner.
(Altho libertinism might well flourish.)
From a paddler complaining about hunters….
>Taken together, I am none too happy about
>hearing gunshots and relying on the judgement of the gun owners for my
>safety. Especially when I come across a pile of litter including beer
The city coming to the country and displacing the country. Misanthropy.
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>Now if we could only train them not to Tresspass. As a owner of several parcel
>of rural land, my experience with hunters (Whitetail Deer) has not been a good
>one. Try mentioning to someone carrying a rifle that they are trespassing.
More city concepts coming to the country and displacing the country.
(40 years ago, before perversion by cityfolk there were just about ZERO lands posted ‘no trespassing’ in this HEAVILY POPULATED area. Get it? People living together without the need for posting. Comprende? Now nearly all land is posted, now that the country has been ‘developed’.) More essential misanthropy.
—Note: feel free to tell
anyone with a gun anything you like. Obviously manners always help, even if it’s a firm, clear expulsion. However, if you’re the recent interloper and the only thing being affected in truth by the given trespasser is your feelings/mood/druthers expect a wide range of responses based on the TRUTH of where YOU’RE coming from.
I.e., you may well represent the destruction of ancient culture to locals. Never goes down easily. However, you have your conscience to fear more than the hunter. (Not that conscience is commonly possessed anymore—it’s the first thing trained out in an insurance-based era—note that I have nothing against insurance; but that it’s supposed to follow not lead. Nowadays everyone knows your most superficial whim instantly cancels entire cultures due to who has what paper.)
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>However . . . while hunters do not intentionally shoot at people,
>people do get shot by hunters. Every couple years someone gets
Exceptions prove the rule. Kill a dozen a year and you prove you can’t hardly find a safer activit. Fear is from modern perversion of statistics and psychosis about risk. Apologies to the poster. The evidence is everywhere.
Perfect safety = prison. Anything else you’d be best to trust whichever local culture has the deepest roots in a given area. If you really want safety. Mass culture, tho, isn’t about reality, but about Pavlovian trained feelings—dictated by insurance companies in the main and all their paradigm lapdogs. Freedom-lovin-paddlers are as infected as anyone.
Basically, to me this FRICTION is very revealing of BIG trouble
on all sides.
Of course, hunters are as infected by modernism as anyone.
The main trouble comes from the complete anti-culture aspect of modernism. For the most part neither hunters nor paddlers (nor any modern) are cultured anymore. They’re lifestyle consumers. Contact with another ego will be felt as painful friction not community. (Egos in our gang are temporarily merged in consumption, so no friction.) Both are players in the STEEP downhill slide of our world and culture. Trying to fix things without getting to the root won’t help. It’ll worsen (even though the short term might look better—“look, here’s a case where everyone
got along, let’s copy that!”). Destroy the village to save it.
(Anyone think ecotourism is really helping anything?)
Forever more, to avoid friction all parties will have to attend to 100 unnatural, technical P’s&Q’s. Witness the trout fishing acrobatics to have us ‘all get along’. My solution is to never do anything anywhere or at any time anyone else does. However, that still doesn’t prevent friction, since the friction is IMAGINARY on the part of anyone who wants to be a victim in the first place. —A farmer
will tractor on by me anywhere at anytime, give a nod. —If I’m
noodlin’ around some unposted bottom land before dawn and the cityfolk landowner by bad luck happens to be visiting that spot on his once-annual walk to the back edge of his property, he’ll pop a gasket. You can’t get away from that type of friction. No matter how many rules you obey, it’ll keep you on the run. Keep us ALL on the run.
Basically, hunters spending money on their ‘sport’, travelling distances, hunting NOT for subsistence, going to preserves and BUYING game, collecting guns and such, are modern consumer hobbyists no more connected to anything or heritage than anyone else.
They have very little cultural leg to stand on.
Here’s a slice of a post from a CYCLING email list (hey we’re broadening horizons here today…)…
>how do we as concerned cyclists prevent our chosen mode of
>transportation from being relegated to the status of exercise
>or sport or a hobby?
This was an eye-opener for me. The idea that from a heritage point of view, NEEDFUL FUNCTION perhaps comes first and that exercise/sport/hobby are possibly isolating modern offshoots, which might be necessary but are LOWER uses and which don’t really respect the activity PER SE but instead just USE IT for some ego need (R&R, what have you).
Again, I see that any activity being done from an ego base will result in friction between others. Irreparable despite infinite laws and suggestions as to how to make things work out.
Indeed, hunters who are being true to culture/heritage will typically find themselves in dutch with the law, without access to game, short-sheeted in their quest to put seasonal food on the table.
Because the game laws are usually now consumer based also. And the failure of our culture as shown in the destruction of our cities has been paid for by the loss of our arable lands, as city flees to country in a fit of misanthropy. People who live in a normal country settings are now often cut off from the true heritage in their hunting. You often have to live 100-200 miles from urban sprawl to have reasonable, uncomplicated access to gameland.
This is fine for marginal mountainmen and hermits, but countryfolk need not apply. The regular countryfolk of the US are being cut off from their roots on all sides.
I have good relations with the two farmers left in our area.
But you know I love the 100-page rulebook, the $100 license,
and the 50 seasons with 100 separate start and stop dates.
And the crowds of hightech hobbyists.
