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| Life Among Peers: finding services on our level
September 26, 2005
Two ideas here.
One of my goals is to live among people I can relate to in some way, people who live in a way that allows relating. I think I'm flexible. It's not like we all have to be the same---a wide variety of people CAN be related to.
But I think that mass-society cultural features get most of their power by taking possession of relation. It's what we need most as humans---so that's what a big corporation (or political or identity lobby group) is going to try to control MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. When you buy their product you, like a lab rat, then get a little dose of relation. It's more powerful than heroin. They run it like a spigot. If you pay, or obey, they turn it on. If you're with others who are paying, you welcome each other. In every case, the people are losing and the company is mopping up. The relations in the end aren't real. Because they've been bought. And aren't our own. So there's that. Getting in the way. Of me being able to deal with some folks. And it hits everyone, rich and poor alike.
If I lived in a town where there was less mass-market cultural behavior I think I'd do better. I think everyone else would do better, too. They'd be more themselves and could have their own relations for a change.
But does such a town exist in America? Does America have an allowable or viable cultural basis that doesn't depend on cultural exploitation anywhere? I mean a whole diverse town, not just a single scene. Most other countries do, but America might be uniquely dry in this way at this point. Tell me it ain't so!
One possible pathway to this kind of living seems to be to not only live among but to do one's business with people who are on your same level in some important ways.
Of course, as a sidenote, to have some such relations to the ART and artists in ones life is basically the whole point of OYB. The idea here is why not extend it everywhere?
I've made two of these breakthrus as they relate to biz so far in my life, but only now do I see how they relate and might be expanded upon.
The first was with a carpenter I know. We wanted an addition to our house (hard to have a great cook in the house and a closet to cook in) and asked a good friend builder for a quote. $15K. He buys the best computer-driven music studio equipment and travels around the world and parties hard: he has expenses. And he works mostly for well-off people in a wealthy town down the road, so he gets the big bucks, and rightly so. He was even giving me a break in his quote. I think. Then I got a quote from another carpenter pal. He lives in the sticks near us, he works for lots of poor people, he doesn't travel, has no expensive hobbies, goes to bed early, gets up early, grows his own honey and berries, for his main hobby (canoeing) he makes most of his stuff, for what he doesn't make he's a rep for the makers and a coach/fitter/consultant, so he gets stuff cheap by giving back, he charges less for work even though he's also totally worth more, he's oldfashioned. His quote: $4K. It was my first experience of the "two worlds."
I thought it was just an exceptional case, due to my quirky friends.
I'd been getting my cars worked on at a couple small local shops. Man, the costs add up. But the guys have overhead, bosses, workers, etc. New Harleys.
My farmer brother started laughing and telling me about this new guy he found to fix his cars, who never says what's wrong or what he's going to do or what it'll cost nor does he call when he's done. He's a big ole' outlaw who has a junkyard around his house, plus cows, on the edge of town---in town. I finally took my cars out to him. I noticed he had a skeet-thrower nailed to his back porch. There are guys, kids, oldtimers hanging out around the various garages and barns. It's been an amazing experience. I leave my car, eventually I call and ask what's up and he says it's fixed. I ask how much and he pauses and thinks a bit, "Twenty." This is how it goes every time. "Fifty." He lives in a shack and has no overhead---just like me. I don't know where he gets his pricing. Martha totaled our Volvo last winter. This guy also does bodywork. We dropped it off. He didn't say a thing. A couple weeks later we call to ask if he thinks it's worth even fixing. "It's done." He repainted the front end, put in a new (old) hood and front end, pulled the engine and things back into place. Oh and he put a new (used) set of tires on it, all around, Michelins. I'd also left another car to get a new muffler. "For both cars, uh, how bout $900." OK, so he got overspray on the windows---I was happy to get out some acetone and a scrubby and not mention it. Anyway, I'm thinking he charges one-third of other places, at most. He wings it a little---when we needed a new window motor and he put in a new one for $30 I noticed that we now had a drywall screw thru our armrest, but what the hey. He's in my league, man! THAT'S THE MAIN THING!
So...now all I need to find is a DENTIST and a DOCTOR who live and think like we do, and we're set!
I bet they're out there. Not everyone wants to lose a portion of freedom to second houses, or to lose their time to waiting in airports, nor to consume foreign lands with tourism, nor to keep fussing over fancy new gewgaws that are boring in 10 minutes. Sure, they can be a class-step above the average, but no need to get out of hand. There have to be high-end providers out there who are DIY indy types like me---at least part of the time. Who work out of their house, who value their free time, who are willing to be flexible with people they like to work on---or who maybe charge the rich folks what they can pay and the poor ones what they can. That is, they could both not have to charge so much nor work so much if THEY lived cheap and also could charge less depending on the customer. Is there a law against it? Are they out there? (My autobody/car guy also does high-end bodywork where he gets to bill insurance companies. I betcha he's not charging em $30 for window motors then! ...Nor giving them drywall screws in the armrests.) Of course, the human body isn't like an autobody, but most of this stuff isn't rocket-science. There's a huge social/class/image component to it. Some folks love that stuff---no harm in it if you can afford it. I'd just like to think there's an option out there for those who can't. There have to be doctors who like to go bluegill fishing down the road with their buddies in ten minutes after work rather than plan all year to fly up north and hire guides to take them flyfishing for trout at The Lodge.
Anyone know any? : )
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| | mklein
- , posted on Sep 28, 2005 |
| OK, Jeff, I agree with all thoughts in the article. I'm sucked into mainstream medicine but would much rather barter and have done that with my local barber (my exam/opinion. his haircuts for the kids). I wonder at times, where on the continuum I fall, from unplugged/off the grid to deeply part of the problem. I like my handtools and my bike but I go to the hospital daily and play my role in the "industry". I like my neighborhood and my neighbors who don't look like me and my not-perfect/work-in-progress house (and life). And I'll give care on the cheap for the ones who need it. Especially the older people. Thanks for your thoughts. Mike | | JeffOYB
- Williamston, MI, posted on Sep 28, 2005 |
| Thanks, Mike. --For putting up with my longwinded rant! : ) [And sorry about my glitchy Remarks software.] I suppose one can best be flexible when you know your patients. Social barriers prevent some of this as does the fact that one can only have so many friends and can't know everyone you serve. But just being aware of the dynamic, like you are, means that you're more able to do something about it as the need arises. It also sounds like you're on the 'live within your means' side while some service people are pushing so hard for higher financial goals, or have such desperately high overhead, that they're forced to charge the max. I see the strain in the auto mechanic I know who would rather not charge so much but darn he's got crazy bills. Of course some people don't mind being charged the max: they're flush cashwise and hopefully get what they pay for. Maybe they have as hard of a time finding a deluxe match as I have finding an affordable match. Finding a match: that's the challenge. Not only for dating/spouses but for who we see for daily needs. | | sisu
- ann arbor, posted on Sep 28, 2005 |
There's a doc in A2 that might be worth checking out (you come down here for Big Ten Market, no?). He's fee-for-service, based on ability to pay. His office is out on Packard Rd not too far from Two Wheel Tango (closer to Carpenter, same side of the street as TWT). Anyway, Jerry Walden is his name. He treats all walks of life, poor, those w/o insurance, those that have insurance but don't want to use it for whatever reason, etc. He's getting on in years and I think he's trying to get someone to take his place, but no one has stepped up to the plate as far as I know. Would be a special sorta MD, like he is.
My MD and most docs I know (several) work very hard and can barely keep up with all the paperwork and regulations (state, federal, insurance co.) so I can see why they don't want to donate their time to a clinic like Jerry Walden's. Too bad. I wonder, do lawyers still do pro bono work?
In my experience, it ain't the MD visits that empty my wallet, but rather the meds and tests and whatnot. | | sisu
- ann arbor, posted on Sep 28, 2005 |
Another thought. Ann Arbor has two large cohousing communities (one out on Jackson Rd, west of downtown). Can't recall where the other one it. Anyway, they do a lot of bartering there and everyone pitches in on the "commons" areas, cooking meals and so forth. I wonder if professionals/tradespeople living there offer their services to the cohousing community at a reduced rate. Therapists, yoga instructors, massage therapists, herbal medicine types.
There might be an MD there, but it would be suprising. Most MDs feel they need to live the lifestyle, which precludes a 2 bedroom flat in a cohousing community. But hey, in Ann Arbor, it is possible.
As an aside, if you ever read The Millionaire Next Door you'll find that MDs aren't the ones ending up as millionaires, it is plumbers and small business owners and the like, who earn good money but drive old cars, live in quasi-shacks and fish for bluegills. | | JeffOYB
- Williamston, MI, posted on Sep 28, 2005 |
Thanks for the thoughts, Sisu!
I just remembered that we found the split also in veterinarians. There isn't pet insurance---man, when we had 4 pets and took em to the local cool young vet we were broke all the time. Then I learned to do my own 7-way vaccines. But THEN I discovered the old country vet in the farm town nearby who for some odd reason charged about a third of what the others did. He's old, tho. He works with lots of vet students as helpers. Our dog got quills once and we had a whole room full of people while he pulled quills. I was in there wrestling with the limp dog, too. It pays to look around, ask around---it takes 'knows-a-guy.' As you say, the tests are what get you---in petland, too. But I've been willing to go with the old guys hunches so far. He hasn't mentioned tests. The youngsters run tests every time. We just can't go there anymore. Nice people, tho. | | sisu
- ann arbor, posted on Sep 29, 2005 |
JP, this guy is right up your alley:
http://www.unconventionalideas.com/
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